"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
01/16/2018 at 16:41 • Filed to: None
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"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
01/16/2018 at 16:41 • Filed to: None | 3
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I read this guy’s blog posts because when he is not being obtuse and overly professorial, he provides some good objective overviews, as he does here.
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His Stigness
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 17:04 |
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Why am I not surprised that all of sudden it’s the Democrats fault that he’s a wishy washy racist who is only governing for his base.
rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 17:18 |
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This is a good take.
Textured Soy Protein
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 17:26 |
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Problems with this article:
“In his first term,
Barack Obama
admitted that he had no constitutional authority (“I’m president, I’m not king”) to grant amnesties. Yet during his campaign for reelection in 2012 he created the
Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
program, which conferred a temporary reprieve from deportation to young people brought to this country as minors.”
The reality is rather more nuanced than presented here. Yes, Obama changed his original position, but his in talking about implementing DACA, he said this:
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“An irate public has had it with open borders.”
This is just dropped in there multiple times with no clarification of what it means, or numbers that show how much of the supposedly-irate public feels this way.
“Over the last 20 years, [illegal immigration] has vastly expanded the Latino vote.”
For this to be true, either mass quantities of illegal immigrants would have to be voting, or they would have had to have children in the US who are now old enough to vote. Either way, this claim requires more evidence than is presented.
“Setting aside the reality of the Dreamer pool, the Democrats’ method of fighting for DACA suggests that they are broadly in favor of letting immigration dysfunction continue apace. Why else would they refuse to give President Trump any significant concessions in the DACA negotiations — no wall, no end to chain migration, no cessation of visa lotteries?”
Except, here’s what’s actually in the Durbin-Graham plan that was discussed in Trump’s shithole meeting:
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I could go on, but nah, this dude is full of shit.
fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 17:28 |
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Maybe still a little obtuse, I didn’t notice any solution to the issue in his essay. I think his line about an “irate public” might be a little overstated. This is problem #20 on the list right now for those without certain hang-ups. The line about the number of immigrants is funny too - of course the number is the highest in history - the population is also by far the highest in history.
To address some of his opinions, residency being for sale in exchange for investment with no-questions-asked money kind of discounts his idealistic vision of a meritocratic system (if the names Jared and Ivanka don’t already make it a joke). Good luck with that. What’s the solution?
Spanfeller is a twat
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 18:01 |
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I keep hearing Obama’s justification for Obamacare not being like the NHS; “Legacy systems”
I think that the debate is centered around fixing the issue slowly. I doubt that Democrats would just stay with DACA; I think that a solid congress run in 2018 or 2020, if they somehow fuck up another election, will begin showing their real intensions. More important are the intentions of their voter base if they win an important majority because, not timid anymore of their status as the opposition party, they will be asking for the important reforms.
You know, or they could keep jerking themselves off to “Saving ACA” image that will be brought with a big congressional win....
Note: Reagan also gave amnesty to illegal immigrants.
In the end parties answer to their voter base, a voter base that can be quite varied and fluid. If democrats pull the same mistake that the Republicans did (by giving voice to the insane and a central place to the unreasonable) then I guess that the debate will continue to losen intelligence and credibility as Mr. Davis argues.
In the end discrimination goes both ways, it is discriminatory to assume that all DACA is good in a similar way than it is to assume that I’m sent to your country to cause caos. This push to put immigrants in a good or a bad box is what makes the discussion so hard... you’re arguing subjective opinions rather than reality. The reality is that they are just human and want to contribute to their community, have a life, and make money. (WHY DO YOU MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO GIB SWEET TAX MONEY!)
An immigration reform should be a bipartisan effort that can see the realities of immigration and not the opinions, it also needs to be practical. you guys have millions of illegal people contributing to your communities, I hardly doubt they need more assimilation (specially given the amount of years many of them have lived there) to your nation. Its time to just be practical about it and realize that in reality you should be proud to be attracting immigrants that love the concept of the United States and wish to contribute to the community. Also tax income and real demographical data (specially since a census is coming!)
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> rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI
01/16/2018 at 18:02 |
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I think so as well. I don’t buy this guy hook, line and sinker, but he give some salient analysis. At times. One of his big positions, and one that I vehemently disagree with, is that since on a policy level, things are moving forward nicely, 45's behavior is a non-issue. So when he goes down that alley, I stay on the street.
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> fintail
01/16/2018 at 18:05 |
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I think the piece offers some insight. No solutions, but who offers any of those? The line I liked was about how the base could live with fully employed people not on assistance paying some fines and getting a green card came across to me as almost reasonable.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Spanfeller is a twat
01/16/2018 at 18:09 |
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(by giving voice to the insane and a central place to the unreasonable) I have to spend a minute unpacking this one...
And census? According to the media, the census doomed and a proper census would only empower the liberals, so why wouldn’t 45's administration let it bomb?
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Spanfeller is a twat
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 18:15 |
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Because the census is an important tool for a lot of government programs like infrastructure, certain types of security spending, so on and so on...
The only thing mr. Trump cares about in the census is what other Republicans tell him which is about jerrymandering, and ultimately it is a huge issue but not as big as assuming that a city has 400,000 residents when it actually has 430,000 or another number!
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 18:28 |
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I wonder if it is really true about the base, however - as there are still cultural and other issues. The assistance bit is amusing too, as a lot of the base uses some as well.
IMO, if fines are to be paid, then the “businesspeople” (sarcastic quotes) who lobbied to allow things to fester for so long in the endless pursuit of cheap exploitable labor should lose their empires.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/16/2018 at 20:39 |
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every job Ive ever had from hauling rocks to engineering has required me to fill out a w-2 and show citizenship or legal working status. The primary reason is jobs that pay better. If congress was truely serious about stopping illegal immigration $100k fine for employing illegal immigrnts. The economic risk to a business to pay under the table would immediatly make it not worth it.
I have a brother in law that will post shit about illegals taking jobs, but guess who he hires when he needs his trees trimmed.
from 10 years ago
http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/23/news/companies/walmart_worker_arrests/
Illigal immigration is just the 21st century version of “Bootleggers and Baptists”
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> fintail
01/17/2018 at 00:33 |
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Plenty of assistance going out to the base, for sure. It’s funny: DOTUS can say “shithole,” but if Barack talks about redneck clinging to their guns, all hell breaks loose. Or
deplorables
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> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
01/17/2018 at 00:36 |
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Interesting. I live in the SF Bay Area, and I’ll see Liberals in their Prius picking up day labor at the Home Depot. They probably pay them well and feed them a hot lunch.
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/17/2018 at 09:33 |
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I think I saw protests in Kentucky or a similar area lately - hey guys, you asked for it, you got it. Even with this cabal of cronies and crooks, the affluent lib areas will likely remain so, and the opposite is true for those on the other end of the spectra.
I think the profanity in IQ45s blather is what got a lot of people irritated - this is still a puritanical wonderland, and bad words trigger people. That with the Norway schtick giving it racist overtones really pushed it over the edge. Note to the base - Norwegians (and many others in first world Europe) see much of the US, including where many of you live, like your leader sees Haiti and Africa. They don’t want to move here. They would lose in almost every way.
Regarding Barack, kind of smells of whataboutism, but it isn’t like he said something wrong, yeah? And he with the one who won’t be named at least had the sense to not make it profane - had they done so, the self-righteous ire from the real snowflakes of society would have been deafening. Besides, most of them are proud of their deplorability.
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> fintail
01/17/2018 at 13:02 |
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One of the things I work hard at doing, and I am not offering a criticism, is to eschew labels. (I was proud of DOTUS, though...) Labels are vague; labeling behavior, less so.
I’ve heard it but now I know what
whataboutism
is: inconsistency and disingenuousness. Rather than getting bent in half, the deplorables might have come out with, “HELL YEAH!” like they are now, and we could credit them for their candor, rather than accuse them of political flip-floppery.
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/17/2018 at 16:06 |
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Sometimes the person is the behavior. DOTUS is a perfect example.
Whataboutism is a key old Soviet strategy, and is quite deceptive. It’s a hallmark of the new regime, and those who have been conned into defending it. You’ll even see it around here now and then.
I’ve seen some of the base be proud of the name, but some were really offended. I wonder how they will feel in a couple more years when they aren’t really winning.
Also amusing how those who call others “snowflakes” are even bigger snowflakes when their own actions or beliefs are called out.
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> fintail
01/17/2018 at 16:27 |
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I’m curious to see how some of the people will be shunned later on. Like Sarah Sanders, for example.
Did you read any coverage of Jeff Flake’s floor speech today?
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/jeff-flake-trump-speech-343244?lo=ap_b1
Flake speaks well for the conservative wing of my views of the world. I’d like to see him receive the GOP nomination, but it’s hard for me to imagine the GOP nominating a Mormon.
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/17/2018 at 16:39 |
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They’ll need to get in on the graft now, as they will be unemployable in the future - if not much worse. Sarah is just awful, and like so many in the regime, a slap in the face of any iota of meritocracy in this new world.
Flake made a nice scene, but too little, too late. He and the media (who is every bit as complicit in this mess as silent Rs) should have been doing this months ago, if not during the campaign. And yeah, they’ll cling to old beliefs.
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> fintail
01/17/2018 at 17:09 |
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Donald Trump broke all the mores of civility. When he’s on national live television during a “debate,” and talking about Marco Rubio’s small hands, and the rest don’t know how to respond, I don’t blame them. Mitt Romney, the other Mormon, started a full-throated rebuttal, but quit when he realized he had zero chance of beating Trump at his own game. So on the point of too little, too late, I am more tolerant of weak or lack of response to Trump/Bannon’s asymmetrical warfare. One thing Trump has accomplished is to lurch the center toward the right. What I do
not
excuse is the vacillating of the other Rs. Flake is playing a long, steady game, which is what reasonable people everywhere need to be doing. 45 is rapidly burning through all of his powder.
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/17/2018 at 21:34 |
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That’s why I have no regrets about “deplorable” or other slurs - it’s fighting fire with fire. Those targeted by 45 need to fight back, and do it hard. Mitt shouldn’t have stopped - 45 whined about Mitt’s tax returns, while 45 is hiding his - and the base, even here, excuses it. 45 whined about Obama’s college transcripts, while he’ll never release his own. This is the “man” we are dealing with.
Flake needs to call shit, shit. Lurching the center to the right won’t end well, it never has in history.
I see a certain loyalist who claims they hate the regime yet defends it at every turn, is telling the hilarious story that Rs go after policy while Ds go after people - absolute bullshit, intellectually dishonest. For every “deplorable” insult, there’s a “libturd”, “commie”, “librulz” as a pejorative, etc - heck, he even uses “socialist” which is almost always a sign someone can’t define the term. I don’t get it. More temporarily embarrassed millionaires who are either told what to do by religion, or who think they are just a step away from hitting it big, just held back by pesky D regulations.
This will go down as the worst regime in history.
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> fintail
01/18/2018 at 00:48 |
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Yes, the righties certainly throw around the pejoratives, no doubt about that. You forgot repuglicans . Read the news about Rs heading for the exits. We’ll see whether they’re replaced by whacko other Rs or by Ds. As for loyalist : as I see it, the Rs are really stuck between a rock and a hard place. They’re getting what they want, but 45 is unfit for polite company and bent on making us the biggest sh!thole on the planet.
I won’t fight the guy, nor any of his minions, outright. I will not be drawn into a culture war. The Founding Fathers’ system is being sorely tested.
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/18/2018 at 09:36 |
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There’s the risk - there are plenty of wacko Rs, and plenty of fascist-sympathizer R voters who claim they actually don’t support the train wreck, but will vote for it anyway. I don’t know what is the line that can’t be crossed for these people - they will support all kinds of criminals. The craphole thing still makes me smirk and cringe - what he said is how many people in functioning social democracies think about much of this country.
I think some of the Founding Fathers’ system has failed.
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> fintail
01/18/2018 at 14:03 |
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I read in Politico this morning about Rs complaining about Jeff Flake’s speech and how he shouldn’t be attacking 45.
I can’t believe it’s past noon on the East Coast and there hasn’t been a fresh Trump outrage yet.
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/18/2018 at 16:17 |
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That gets to me too, how normal Rs are now in the pack. They are more afraid of the new guard than of voters (or they know so many voters have been conned, too).
Maybe he’s golfing for the 30th time this month.
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> fintail
01/18/2018 at 16:59 |
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Having flown on Air Force One, at $100,000 per flight hour. Or more...
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fintail
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
01/18/2018 at 21:49 |
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And no doubt billing the taxpayer for security and facility use at properties he owns.